New Motto

This ain’t my country. I just live in it.

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  1. John P. Hoke says:

    We democrats need to stop pandering to the Youth Vote. They are always trumped up as our heroes, but never pull through 🙁

    While, it is not over yet, I do hear a fat soprono wearing a viking helmet warming up in Ohio 🙁

    Is it too late to let the south secede?

  2. ChgoRed says:

    It just… I… F*ck.

    I keep going back and forth between sadness and bewilderment. I mean, we lost to that monkey? To that smirking “It’s hard work!” goofball with the transmitter in his back?

    And damn, does it ever hurt.

  3. Eileen says:

    The youth left us standing at the altar again! Kudos to P Diddy and other who tried to motivate them, I just don’t know what it will take. I can’t believe that fear of a draft wasn’t enough! I’m sitting here in shock, disappointment, and utter disbelief. What the hell happened!? Well, maybe Dean can pull it off in 4 years… but what is this country going to look like in 4 years?

  4. Jen says:

    We democrats need to stop pandering to the Youth Vote. They are always trumped up as our heroes, but never pull through 🙁

    As a very, very, very political youth who was THISCLOSE to not voting (but I did), I’d just like to say that there is a large percentage of young people who’s reasons for not voting have nothing to do with apathy. Neither candidate is addressing any issues that are important to us. Where was Kerry’s CLEAR commitment to not bringing back the draft? I didn’t see one. Where was his commitment to making college easier to pay for? Oh, also not there. His commitment to civil liberties for the GLBTQ community? Oh, didn’t see that either. I know a lot of young people who don’t find him queer-friendly at all (I’m one of them). There are young people who care a lot about the fact that when we graduate, we will have a hard time finding a good job, that we could be drafted, that we could lose our access to contraception/abortion, that we could lose our access to information, that we are treated as second-class citizens if we’re queer. And we don’t see the democrats addressing that at all. So we find it very difficult to vote for them. Because, really, what have they done to earn our vote?

    The Democrats need to stop PATRONIZING the youth vote, by giving us nail files, campaigns like “Carrie the Vote” and Puff Daddy saying “Vote Or Die.” We’re not stupid. Things like that aren’t going to sway most of us. They’re just going to make us feel like neither party takes us seriously. If they would just address some issues that are important to us, they wouldn’t be left high and dry.

  5. John P. Hoke says:

    Jen,

    I agree with you to a point, but sometimes you have to stand up and make a choice.

    It’s called maturity. You’re white knight candidate will never materialize. My personal choice (Dean) was not perfect in my book either, but he was better than the alternatives

    Now, if you really think that Kerry and Bush are equals on GLBT issues, the economy (which drives tuition prices), the War in Iraq (thereby the Draft), etc then you would have a case, but they are different, and I do not want to hear anyone who did not vote complain… as I wrote on my blog:

    “You have made your bed, or more precisely, you have not made your bed, and it has become infested with parasitical conservative monsters who will suck your blood dry, chew on the marrow in your bones, and the bones of your children, so now you have to sleep in it.”

    Harsh? Yep, such is life.

    As for why neither party takes the Youth Vote seriously… because ….

    They do not vote on the whole. If you want to be taken seriously, then you need to act serious … sorry until that happens, nothing will change, which is why I say that the youth vote is a mirage (on the whole). I am not talking individuals, but as a bloc
    they just don’t.

    This bit of yours confuses the hell out of me:

    . There are young people who care a lot about the fact that when we graduate, we will have a hard time finding a good job, that we could be drafted, that we could lose our access to contraception/abortion, that we could lose our access to information, that we are treated as second-class citizens if we’re queer. And we don’t see the democrats addressing that at all.

    All I can say is that the democrats are doing a HELL of a lot more on those fronts than any Republican administration. Are they perfect – of course not… perfection and politics never mix.

    So now Dubya will get 2 – 4 seats on the supreme court… welcome to the next 40 years on the bench of right wing, anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-civil liberties justices.

    Feh!

  6. Eileen says:

    Jen,

    With all due respect, P Diddy’s campaign did much more than just tell youth to vote or die. I don’t watch MTV much but made a point to check out the election coverage and documentaries of hip hop performers visiting poor rural areas to talk to those residents about their lives and their quality of life. If someone watched five minutes of that and didn’t understand that the “have nots” are being left behind then I’ll be so bold as to say that the youth don’t care about the future of this country.

    Unfortunately sometimes your vote will be for the lesser of two evils. Many people felt this was the case this year. That’s no reason to not vote!

  7. Jen Buster says:

    Dammit. I worked so hard on this election, I worked so hard on GLBT issues in Michigan & the US, Women’s Issues in Michigan and the US, and for Kerry in Michigan & the US. Don’t tell me that one of the candidates ISN’T better than the other on those issues. And if any young person feels that Kerry wasn’t talking to young people then answer me this: do you feel any safer about your own choice for your body, your life, your rights with Bush? Fuck no. I’m absolutely despondent.

  8. Jen says:

    John–

    I did vote. I made my choice. I’m just tired of the fact youth don’t vote being chalked up to apathy and “oh, they don’t care.” And to blame us that Kerry wasn’t a stronger candidate is just wrong. It’s up to the candidates to earn votes, not for the voters to just give them away.

    Yes, I’m furious that Bush won. I’m furious that people find shoving Christianity down my throat more important than things like the economy. (And according to exit polls, up to a quarter of the voters in some states felt that morality is the most important issue and that’s why they voted for Bush, even though they were unhappy with a myriad of other things he did). But that isn’t the fault of the youth of America.

    There’s a lot of us who are really idealistic, and who don’t see the Democrats as doing enough to address what we want. And if the Democratic Party doesn’t want to change that, that’s fine. But then they can’t count on our vote and then be upset that we’re not voting for them. They are not entitled to our vote. And there are a lot of young people who don’t see “Well, they’re better than the Republicans” as a good reason to vote for the Democrats. Because, really, how hard is it to be more progressive than Bush? And a lot of us get even more frustrated because the Democrats are spending a lot of time telling us that we’re just too radical and we’re not being mature and that we need to just sit quietly like good children and vote the party line and maybe later, when they’re less busy and it’s less risky, we can have the crumbs they choose to give us. Why wouldn’t we be frustrated with that? Especially when it always seems to be too risky to come out with a firm stand on things like gay marriage and women’s rights and not instituting the draft.

    Eileen–

    I understand that the “have nots” are being left behind in this country. I understand that urban, poor youths are at a huge disadvantage and are largely ignored. And I commend P. Diddy and all of the others who worked on his vote or die campaign for drawing attention to that. But, in the end, telling us to vote does very little if we’re given nothing to vote FOR.

  9. Tom says:

    Jen, You had something to vote for. The contrast between Bush and Kerry was stark. The loss will matter mightily — very, very possibly more than any election in your lifetime.

  10. Jen says:

    Tom–

    As I’ve said before, I did vote. I wasn’t happy about my choices, but I voted.

    But I’m so tired of people not addressing the fact that there are a lot of youth who didn’t feel like they had anything to vote for. Just saying, “Oh, you do have something to vote for” doesn’t make it true. A lot of people see what the Democrats are saying as scare tactics. Others feel that voting for “the lesser of two evils” is still supporting evil and will still turn out badly for them.

    I encouraged my peers to vote (and a lot of people where I live did, but many of them voted 3rd party because they didn’t like Kerry). Do I wish Kerry had won? Yeah, I do. But I’m not going to blame Kerry’s loss on the youth not voting or not voting for Kerry. I don’t like that we’ve become the scapegoat. Wringing your hands over the lack of youth vote does nothing to get a more liberal president than Bush into office.

    I’m not stupid and I know what this loss could mean. But to hear vast amounts of people saying “Oh, it’s all the fault of the young people” is very, very wrong and ultimately unproductive.

  11. Tom says:

    Jen,

    I don’t object to all you said; I object to the absurd idea that you didn’t have anything to vote for.

    Jen: Snap out of it! If you are old enough to vote, stop thinking like you have to look to the older voters for approval or direction. You have more years of life left than the rest of us. You have more to *personally,* and, yes, selfishly, to vote for or against.

    The candidates aren’t brands of soft drink. The election decides our collective future; it’s about YOUR responsibility, not the candidates’.

    Yours is the age of idealism, while the older rest of us have become a little crusty and set in our ways. The future belongs to you. Grasp it. YOU tell US what should happen, what needs to be done. But forgive the world its mediocrity. It has always been a disappointment; it will be insufferable decades from now, too. Yet have some compassion for what is good, but imperfect. [steps off soapbox].

    No offense, but people your age almost always think that the candidates are a little stinky. That is because you have fresh, healthy brains that embrace The New. YOU are the leaders. TAKE us to the future; only you can.

  12. John P. Hoke says:

    Jen:

    And to blame us that Kerry wasn’t a stronger candidate is just wrong. It’s up to the candidates to earn votes, not for the voters to just give them away.

    I am not blaming youth for Kerry’s lost, I am blaming Dem’s for depending on a bloc that has time and time again proven to be too fickle to depend upon. Candidates may have to earn them, but if you want something from a politician either pony up cash or votes… the youth as a whole talked a good game this year but twice left their candidate swinging in the wind IMO (Dean in Iowa and Kerry last night).

    But that isn’t the fault of the youth of America.

    It is the fault of every american who sat on the sidelines, who did not like Bush, but for one reason or another did not feel like voting FOR Kerry, or AGAINST Bush. Hell… I respect a vote for Nader or Badnarik … or even BUSH more than a nonvote.

    As for not being progressive enough… fine, that is a bullshit copout. If those who felt that way, enmass went and voted for someone (Nader, etc) it would actually prove something, maybe wake up the Dem’s to your causes… staying at home is a copout… not directed at you personally, just my opinion.

    And a lot of us get even more frustrated because the Democrats are spending a lot of time telling us that we’re just too radical and we’re not being mature and that we need to just sit quietly like good children and vote the party line and maybe later, when they’re less busy and it’s less risky, we can have the crumbs they choose to give us.

    the old punk in my feels this, but the realist reads this and remembers how stupid I was at one point. The system cannot be changed from without, only from within. If you are told to shut up… be louder, if you are told to keep to the sides, get out in front… but running away because you are not getting everything you want only screws you more.

    Can you honestly say that OVERALL Bush as pResident is better than or no different than Kerry? If so, then I respect your decision, I disagree, but there is no reason to continue this discusion as we will not agree.

    Especially when it always seems to be too risky to come out with a firm stand on things like gay marriage and women’s rights and not instituting the draft.

    part of maturity is knowing when you can say something, and when you just cant. Kerry would have had NO chance if he came out and said “I support Gay Marriages and we need them now” to what end would that serve? Really? He would have been blown out in the election, it would not have been close at all. Don’t believe me? Think about the 11 states that made it illegal for there to be civil unions, gay partnership rights, etc and then answer the question again. Sometimes politicians CANT say everything they agree with… (Dean was another that was similar to Kerry… )

    My problem is that the Dems need to stop chasing the Youth Vote as some sort of pancea, because even when they are hot for a candidate such as Dean, they just don’t show up. I do not care the percentages, it is the raw numbers.

    If in this election where the nation sits on a cusp of 3 or more Justices retiring this term, the youth sit it out because the candidates dont do it for them, the dont wipe their noses for them, make them nice sandwiches and cut off the crust for them… how the hell can we ever trust that they will show up? Especially when history time and time again shows they will not?

    feh!

    So I guess we need to start hoping that SCOTUS Justices stay healthy and get them some food tasters …

  13. trey says:

    it has been a miserable day in our household. we worked so hard and gave so much.

    if, you’ve got a moment, go to http://www.amptoons.com/blog and see what he has to say… we need to start thinking in terms of changing the country and the the elections will be won, instead of winning elections to change the country.

    message, message, message, change hearts, change minds.

    and as to pandering to the youth vote… maybe not the youth vote, but we definitely need to speak to the youth… because eventually they will vote, when they are older. It happens every generation. The youth don’t vote, but do when they get older. If we can win their hearts and minds now, they’ll vote with us when they get to it.

  14. Tim Who? says:

    For the first time.
    For the very first time.

    I am ashamed to be an American.

    Not that we would not only let such a man hold the office of The President Of The United States but that we would re-elect him. A sad day in America and a dark chapter for the United States.

  15. Tom says:

    Tim,

    Yes. It is the thing I don’t understand. I mean, it seems so vividly apparent that Bush is not up to the job. And it has ALWAYS seemed like the job is way, way over his head. He came into office not knowing anything. He’s not curious about anything. He works short hours. He can’t express himself well. He suffers brain freezes, which may be the early onset of Alzheimers. He’s a meglomaniac who probably thought he was chosen by God for the job during his first term, and now certainly thinks God gave him the job. [So now, unable to be re-elected he’ll be especially right wing and dangerous and psychotic. He and his team have gotten away with a constant stream of screw ups and lies and turnarounds that cause deaths and destruction, harm and folly. He funnels money to his rich cronies at the expense of the poor and working folks. He is a bad president that will survive in the history books in the same way that Caligula is a remembered Roman Emperor. So, What is it that those 59 million voters saw that I am totally missing?

  16. Reney says:

    Bushwacked again! That’s what it amounts to. He’s got us arguing with each other and not standing together. I see that he and the other Republicans have done their job and done it well. I never thought about it yesterday while I wallowed in pity for myself and my fellow humans, but now I see it clearly. Apparently, P. Diddy and blaming other generations for our problems is the way to go! You only had two choices, guys – the differences were clear. Don’t you think the Republicans LOVE it when we pick apart our own candidate because he endorses “civil unions” instead of “gay marriage”. Get it together, folks! Grow up, swallow your pride and stand for something! In the meantime, I have to agree, sadly, at least for now – it’s not MY country. I need to get to a place of some sort of acceptance before I can claim it again.

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