Open Thread (A First)

Here’s something I’ve never done before, but I thought I’d try it this morning: an open thread.

I’m gathering my thoughts, seeing what’s in the news this morning, and trying to get some things done before heading out of town for a bit. So, here’s an opportunity to sound off about whatever’s on your mind.

Have at it.

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4 Responses to Open Thread (A First)

  1. Peregrinato says:

    Because I’ve just gotten into two debates over the past twelve hours on the same issue, I’m curious what your perspective is on the inclusion of any religious content in public education. By religious content, I don’t mean indoctrination or the teaching of religious beliefs as facts: I mean education about Bible and other sacred scriptures as literature (and foundational for some culture), about world religions, about belief systems of people around the world, and the relationship of religion to culture, art, literature, history, etc.

  2. Terrance says:

    Well, when you put it that way, I find it hard to object very strenuously. In fact, I think it would be a wonderful idea for students to take, say, a year-long course in “World Religions” where they learn a little about at least all the major ones. Of course, you could spend more than a yaer on any one of them.

    If it’s in public school, I think the only real way to do it would be to include at least all the major religions. I’d be hesitant to devote more time to christianity than the others, though, given that our culture is pretty saurated with it already. I think instead it would be a great way towards generating more understanding about other people and other cultures. However, I think that religion is so highly charged in this country, that something like the above has very little chance of becoming a reality.

    That said, were it in public schools and not equally inclusive of other religions, I’d probaly have some objections.

  3. Peregrinato says:

    As it turns out, there is actually some inclusion of the study of world religions already integrated into world history, literature, and other curricula. (Unfortunately I can’t find the study I found earlier.)

    Your point was essentially my point, spoken against two individuals irrationally opposed to any reference to religion in public schools).

    For the record, there is a Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in the Public Schools (1995). Cosigners include (in addition to narrow-minded religious groups with their stupid beliefs) the ACLU, the American Humanist Association, and Americans United for Separation of Church and State:

    for more resources, check out:

    (For example, one person I spoke to, whom you know, suggested that the study of Islam would be pointless. For someone who is so seemingly aware of geopolitical issues, this statement is arrogant stupidity.)

  4. Tim Who? says:

    I think we’re seeing a change in this country, a profound change and I don’t mean the shift to the right. Though they’re part of it. I believe its been happening for a while and Reagan really got the ball rolling.

    While I wouldn’t dare suggest racism is dead I do believe it’s dying. I think the years of Black or White is coming to an end. Daily I drive past a large university and I’m becoming acutely aware that the younger generation isn’t white or black but rather a mixture of all races. No longer will society be able to separate one race from another. We’re all blending together. I see it in this city I live in (Seattle) but I also saw it in rural Alaska where I spent so many years. The intermix of races will soon make any attempt at classifying anyone by race a lesson in frustration.

    I believe that as this country moves into its next phase, race isn’t going to play the large part it played in my generation (I grew up in the 60s/70s) The issue isn’t going to be race but rather, money.

    The country is being split not by race but by money. It won’t be black or white it will be rich or poor. The rich are taking over and its not going to be pretty. Yes I know the rich and powerful have always had more sway but this is different. The middle class is disappearing at an alarming rate. When it does, all that will be left with is rich and poor.

    Reagan started it and Bush is taking it to new levels. Take a moment and look at what Bush is doing.

    End social security.
    Cancel bankruptcy as we know it.
    Immune companies from law suits.
    Take away peoples rights.
    Give more freedoms to large companies.
    Put the country deep in debt.
    Destabilize the government.
    Create a state sanctioned church.
    Throw the middle east into chaos .
    Control more of the worlds oil supply.

    I could go on, and on but really, are theses the actions of a racist? No, these are the actions of someone setting themselves up as King (or dictator) I’m surprised Bush didn’t put the south under martial law. (for the good of the country) Its the next step.
    Can’t have elections while half the country is under martial law….Hell, he’s probably already planning how to hand it over to Jeb when the time comes. Now that the rich and powerful have allowed corporations to rid themselves of liability of any kind and citizen rights are locked down the squeeze play has started.

    As the price of gas continues to rise and it will. As heating bills double, or triple! We’re about to separate the haves from the have-nots. The housing bubble will collapse and all those people that borrowed against the value of their home will be screwed. Consumer debt is at an all time high. What do you think will happen if the housing market makes a (cough cough) correction. Bankruptcy is no longer an option. When your house drops in value and your heating bill starts to look like another mortgage payment.

    You’ll be in court which they control, for nonpayment and by law you’ll be required to pay a percentage of your pay (a garnishment) to pay past debts and you’ll have even less money to pay ever increasing bills. Talk about setting up the company store. Visa much prefers a direct deduction from your pay mandated by the courts.

    No race isn’t going to be the issue it once was. Some folks will bitch about being black and poor but I wonder if they’ll ever understand being black isn’t the reason they’re held down. It won’t be the color of your skin it will be the size of your wallet.

    Kings and commoners
    Royalty and peasants
    CEO’s and grunts

    You’re either at the top, or the bottom.
    Rich are getting richer and poor are getting poorer.
    While the middle class is quietly but firmly being pushed down to poor

    We had race riots, well get ready, we’re about to enter into class wars.

    And it ain’t gonna be pretty.

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