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	<title>Comments on: Already Living in Jesusland</title>
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	<description>Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fred verilengesteromnery</title>
		<link>http://archives.republicoft.com/index.php/archives/2005/10/23/already-living-in-jesusland/#comment-59702</link>
		<dc:creator>fred verilengesteromnery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peregrinato</title>
		<link>http://archives.republicoft.com/index.php/archives/2005/10/23/already-living-in-jesusland/#comment-35565</link>
		<dc:creator>Peregrinato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil's Advocate #1: You pay taxes to fund many causes you do not support (well, namely the entire corrupt Bush machine.) What makes this different?

Devil's Advocate #2: The Salvation Army discriminates in its employment, but not in its services (If I recall.) So, what would happen ot the $47 million in services to children that the Salvation Army would not be able to provide? More funding to the Department of Education, which requires schools allow military recruiters onto school campuses (per Title IX of No Child Left Behind)? (refer back to Devil's Advocate #1). 

So is the problem that there *is* federal funding for faith based initiatives (properly speaking, faith based and community initiatives)? Or that in allowing such clearly discriminatory practices to continue, that we're funding them, and there doesn't appear to be any way around them?

It isn't enough to argue for a complete separation of church and state to the point of restricting all services. (By the same token, the military wouldn't be able to have chaplains--which would actually be denying religious services to its personnel, which is a different form of discrimintation.)

My only real point is, it isn't an easy answer. I dont' support the Salvation Army's discriminatory practices, but I also have to recognize where it does good. So how does one navigate this maze? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil&#8217;s Advocate #1: You pay taxes to fund many causes you do not support (well, namely the entire corrupt Bush machine.) What makes this different?</p>
<p>Devil&#8217;s Advocate #2: The Salvation Army discriminates in its employment, but not in its services (If I recall.) So, what would happen ot the $47 million in services to children that the Salvation Army would not be able to provide? More funding to the Department of Education, which requires schools allow military recruiters onto school campuses (per Title IX of No Child Left Behind)? (refer back to Devil&#8217;s Advocate #1). </p>
<p>So is the problem that there *is* federal funding for faith based initiatives (properly speaking, faith based and community initiatives)? Or that in allowing such clearly discriminatory practices to continue, that we&#8217;re funding them, and there doesn&#8217;t appear to be any way around them?</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t enough to argue for a complete separation of church and state to the point of restricting all services. (By the same token, the military wouldn&#8217;t be able to have chaplains&#8211;which would actually be denying religious services to its personnel, which is a different form of discrimintation.)</p>
<p>My only real point is, it isn&#8217;t an easy answer. I dont&#8217; support the Salvation Army&#8217;s discriminatory practices, but I also have to recognize where it does good. So how does one navigate this maze?</p>
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