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	<title>Comments on: Justice for Laurel Hester and Stacie Andree</title>
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	<description>Black. Gay. Father. Vegetarian. Buddhist. Liberal.</description>
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		<title>By: Dani -n- Kerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani -n- Kerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOD BLESS YOU LAUREL, You are our ANGEL now!</description>
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		<title>By: Kellie Crouse</title>
		<link>http://archives.republicoft.com/index.php/archives/2005/11/27/justice-for-laurel-hester-and-stacie-andree/#comment-61435</link>
		<dc:creator>Kellie Crouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the email I sent the Freeholders -

Dear Freeholders of Ocean County -

When I heard what you were doing to Ms. Hester and Ms. Andree I was appauled, shocked, dismayed, and horrified. Ms. Hester spend 24 years of her life in public service to your county and this is how you are treating her? This is not right!

Being gay and having a life partner is not a violation to the sanctity of marriage - it is a celebration of the bond two people have for one another. The real violation is when people get married without being prepared for it, or getting married as some sort of statement. If you have read any of the statistics from countries that have legalized gay marriage you would see that while heterosexuals have a divorce rate of about 50%, homosexuals have a divorce rate of about 12%. Does this sound like a "violation of the sanctity of marriage" to you?

You use religion as a basis for your decision. What happened to the seperation of Church and State? Was this one lost on you? Do you not remember learning about this in grammar school? I do. And once again it makes me sick that someone in your positions could use something like religion to decide on the laws and actions of this state. What is next? Burning of Witches (again)? Selling little girls into sexual slavery? Nailing Jews to posts so that YOU can have someone clean your home? Where does it end? The same religious arguements you are making against gay marriage are the same as the ones used to deny interracial marriage. Is that next too, Freeholders?

Even if you hate homosexuals - you are denying a HUMAN BEING her rights. She paid into her pension, and she (and she alone) should decide who gets those benefits after her death. You call her "amoral" because of the way YOUR God created her and now you sit and judge His creation, it you who are amoral. Doesn't your Bible state that "no man may know the will of God"?

You are a disgrace to New Jersey - there is a special spot in hell for men like you. And I hope you suffer the same fate you are consigning Ms. Hester and Ms. Andree to. 

I know Wednesday you are voting again - if her request is not granted a second time I hope you all never see another term in New Jersey politics again. You self-centered, self-righteous, homophobic, racist, sexists jerks!

Sincerely - 

Kellie R. Crouse
Once proud NJ resident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the email I sent the Freeholders -</p>
<p>Dear Freeholders of Ocean County -</p>
<p>When I heard what you were doing to Ms. Hester and Ms. Andree I was appauled, shocked, dismayed, and horrified. Ms. Hester spend 24 years of her life in public service to your county and this is how you are treating her? This is not right!</p>
<p>Being gay and having a life partner is not a violation to the sanctity of marriage - it is a celebration of the bond two people have for one another. The real violation is when people get married without being prepared for it, or getting married as some sort of statement. If you have read any of the statistics from countries that have legalized gay marriage you would see that while heterosexuals have a divorce rate of about 50%, homosexuals have a divorce rate of about 12%. Does this sound like a &#8220;violation of the sanctity of marriage&#8221; to you?</p>
<p>You use religion as a basis for your decision. What happened to the seperation of Church and State? Was this one lost on you? Do you not remember learning about this in grammar school? I do. And once again it makes me sick that someone in your positions could use something like religion to decide on the laws and actions of this state. What is next? Burning of Witches (again)? Selling little girls into sexual slavery? Nailing Jews to posts so that YOU can have someone clean your home? Where does it end? The same religious arguements you are making against gay marriage are the same as the ones used to deny interracial marriage. Is that next too, Freeholders?</p>
<p>Even if you hate homosexuals - you are denying a HUMAN BEING her rights. She paid into her pension, and she (and she alone) should decide who gets those benefits after her death. You call her &#8220;amoral&#8221; because of the way YOUR God created her and now you sit and judge His creation, it you who are amoral. Doesn&#8217;t your Bible state that &#8220;no man may know the will of God&#8221;?</p>
<p>You are a disgrace to New Jersey - there is a special spot in hell for men like you. And I hope you suffer the same fate you are consigning Ms. Hester and Ms. Andree to. </p>
<p>I know Wednesday you are voting again - if her request is not granted a second time I hope you all never see another term in New Jersey politics again. You self-centered, self-righteous, homophobic, racist, sexists jerks!</p>
<p>Sincerely - </p>
<p>Kellie R. Crouse<br />
Once proud NJ resident.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Perrine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Perrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it disturbing that as a woman lays dying Mr. Kelly can pass judgement and say that this woman is immoral.&#160; What is immoral is Mr. Kelly thinking he can judge another human being.&#160; I think just based on that stupid statement you all should reconsider your stand and apologize for his behavior</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it disturbing that as a woman lays dying Mr. Kelly can pass judgement and say that this woman is immoral.&nbsp; What is immoral is Mr. Kelly thinking he can judge another human being.&nbsp; I think just based on that stupid statement you all should reconsider your stand and apologize for his behavior</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power of attorney idea IS a possible solution, just not the way the earlier writer envisioned.&#160; What is urgently needed is a husband for Hester so that her hard-earned benefits are not lost after she dies.&#160; Someone who will love her in her last days, make her legally eligible to bequeath her benefits to a spouse and who will take care of her life-partner (by turning over the benefit proceeds to her, possibly with a power of attorney) after she is gone.

They've fought the good fight and they have apparently lost.&#160;&#160;Bigotry is the victor. But there's no reason her partner should lose the $$$ as well.&#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power of attorney idea IS a possible solution, just not the way the earlier writer envisioned.&nbsp; What is urgently needed is a husband for Hester so that her hard-earned benefits are not lost after she dies.&nbsp; Someone who will love her in her last days, make her legally eligible to bequeath her benefits to a spouse and who will take care of her life-partner (by turning over the benefit proceeds to her, possibly with a power of attorney) after she is gone.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve fought the good fight and they have apparently lost.&nbsp;&nbsp;Bigotry is the victor. But there&#8217;s no reason her partner should lose the $$$ as well.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Martin</title>
		<link>http://archives.republicoft.com/index.php/archives/2005/11/27/justice-for-laurel-hester-and-stacie-andree/#comment-50242</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to correct a&#160;statement above on civil partnerships in the UK.&#160; The new law mirrors the Civil Marriage Act and same-sex couples who take advantage of registering a civil partnership get ALL the benefits as does a heterosexual couple who are civilly married.&#160; The only difference is in the name.&#160; And the majority of gays and lesbians here are more than happy with the new law and its name.&#160; At the end of the day, we would rather have the legislation in place than insist on calling it gay marriage and having the law not passed by Parliament.&#160; And another aspect is that same-sex couples wer able to adopt children BEFORE the civil partnerships came into effect.

On the subect of this thread, there are many who hope that Ocean County comes to its senses and lets Laurl Hester pass on her pension to her long-term partner.&#160; It is nothing short of scandalous that this particular county does not go along with the &#34;spirit&#34; of the law in New Jersey.&#160; There is a distinct &#34;smell&#34; of political &#34;corruption&#34; wafting across the Atlantic to these shores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct a&nbsp;statement above on civil partnerships in the UK.&nbsp; The new law mirrors the Civil Marriage Act and same-sex couples who take advantage of registering a civil partnership get ALL the benefits as does a heterosexual couple who are civilly married.&nbsp; The only difference is in the name.&nbsp; And the majority of gays and lesbians here are more than happy with the new law and its name.&nbsp; At the end of the day, we would rather have the legislation in place than insist on calling it gay marriage and having the law not passed by Parliament.&nbsp; And another aspect is that same-sex couples wer able to adopt children BEFORE the civil partnerships came into effect.</p>
<p>On the subect of this thread, there are many who hope that Ocean County comes to its senses and lets Laurl Hester pass on her pension to her long-term partner.&nbsp; It is nothing short of scandalous that this particular county does not go along with the &quot;spirit&quot; of the law in New Jersey.&nbsp; There is a distinct &quot;smell&quot; of political &quot;corruption&quot; wafting across the Atlantic to these shores.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Shawn White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Shawn White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that I am truly hurt by the fact that these people will not honor her last wishes. Why can't the rest of this country understand that we live in a free society, (or until it compromises with the religous government).&#160;

She is on her last days, and I feel that she should be respected to her last breath. Laurel Hester and her partner and family and friends are in my thiughts and this has inspired me to continue to fight for what rights is deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that I am truly hurt by the fact that these people will not honor her last wishes. Why can&#8217;t the rest of this country understand that we live in a free society, (or until it compromises with the religous government).&nbsp;</p>
<p>She is on her last days, and I feel that she should be respected to her last breath. Laurel Hester and her partner and family and friends are in my thiughts and this has inspired me to continue to fight for what rights is deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle Chrisitani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle Chrisitani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also attended the 12/7 Freeholder meeting and I was shocked at the end when Joe Vicari said that &#34;I struggle with this matter everyday, but it is out of my control&#34;.&#160; That is when the croud started to yell, because 2 other county Freeholders have passed this issue.&#160; I hope that Joe Vicari reads up on the issues passed by his fellow freeholders.
It was stated that 210 couples have filed for domestic partnership in Ocean County.&#160; Can someone tell me the percentage of county workers that will apply for domestic benfits.&#160; I was the only other person in the room that has a partner working over 20 years for the county.&#160;
Equal Justice For All.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also attended the 12/7 Freeholder meeting and I was shocked at the end when Joe Vicari said that &quot;I struggle with this matter everyday, but it is out of my control&quot;.&nbsp; That is when the croud started to yell, because 2 other county Freeholders have passed this issue.&nbsp; I hope that Joe Vicari reads up on the issues passed by his fellow freeholders.<br />
It was stated that 210 couples have filed for domestic partnership in Ocean County.&nbsp; Can someone tell me the percentage of county workers that will apply for domestic benfits.&nbsp; I was the only other person in the room that has a partner working over 20 years for the county.&nbsp;<br />
Equal Justice For All.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis C. McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis C. McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi: I was in the meeting room and spoke as well when Laurel Hester pled her case before the board of chosen freeholders of Ocean county, NJ. Not that it matters all that much, but the issue is whether her partner can collect an annuity pension -- there is a chas value payout she could collect as beneficiary (doesn't have to be married), but the time/value of the annuity, given the partner's age (29) is far greater than the lump sum. ($13000 US/yr. vrs $100000/US one time payment).

The freeholder's public argument, at this time (it's changed over the past three months) is that granting Lt. Hester's dying wish, which they CAN do by passing a simple resolution, would also create this new benefit (pensions for domestic partners) for all Ocean county employees, while discriminiating against &#34;straight&#34; couples who cannot, under NJ law, domestically partner. (But they can marry ... )&#160;

Bottom line is very simple -- Ocean County is a very conservative, Republican dominated district, and the freeholders are loathe to vote in favor of a Democratic-driven bill passed by the state legislators in our capital of Trenton. By punting the issue back at the state, the freeholders make the state Dems the evildoers in the eyes of their constituents, and preserve their own integrity as Republicans.

The bad news for them is, they are already individually, collectively and publically being roasted in hell for not backing Hester. You could see it in their eyes. They HATE having to do this, but they see it as their only choice.

Well, bullocks. Ocean County is NJ's summer playground, and the lbgti community is committed to shutting it down this summer. Not one pink greenback for Ocean. If these fools can't sacrifice partisanship for compassion, MAYBE a short, sharp shock to the tx rolls will do the trick.

Please do feel free to communicate, politely if possible, your opprobrium towards the Board of Frozen Cheeseholders, as we have&#160;come to think of them. &#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi: I was in the meeting room and spoke as well when Laurel Hester pled her case before the board of chosen freeholders of Ocean county, NJ. Not that it matters all that much, but the issue is whether her partner can collect an annuity pension &#8212; there is a chas value payout she could collect as beneficiary (doesn&#8217;t have to be married), but the time/value of the annuity, given the partner&#8217;s age (29) is far greater than the lump sum. ($13000 US/yr. vrs $100000/US one time payment).</p>
<p>The freeholder&#8217;s public argument, at this time (it&#8217;s changed over the past three months) is that granting Lt. Hester&#8217;s dying wish, which they CAN do by passing a simple resolution, would also create this new benefit (pensions for domestic partners) for all Ocean county employees, while discriminiating against &quot;straight&quot; couples who cannot, under NJ law, domestically partner. (But they can marry &#8230; )&nbsp;</p>
<p>Bottom line is very simple &#8212; Ocean County is a very conservative, Republican dominated district, and the freeholders are loathe to vote in favor of a Democratic-driven bill passed by the state legislators in our capital of Trenton. By punting the issue back at the state, the freeholders make the state Dems the evildoers in the eyes of their constituents, and preserve their own integrity as Republicans.</p>
<p>The bad news for them is, they are already individually, collectively and publically being roasted in hell for not backing Hester. You could see it in their eyes. They HATE having to do this, but they see it as their only choice.</p>
<p>Well, bullocks. Ocean County is NJ&#8217;s summer playground, and the lbgti community is committed to shutting it down this summer. Not one pink greenback for Ocean. If these fools can&#8217;t sacrifice partisanship for compassion, MAYBE a short, sharp shock to the tx rolls will do the trick.</p>
<p>Please do feel free to communicate, politely if possible, your opprobrium towards the Board of Frozen Cheeseholders, as we have&nbsp;come to think of them. &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Nio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I called today. It's posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called today. It&#8217;s posted.</p>
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		<title>By: sennoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>sennoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops, I didn't explain the situation well enough, spousal unit didn't realise it was about the pension after Hester's death -- power of attorney won't work for an inheritance issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, I didn&#8217;t explain the situation well enough, spousal unit didn&#8217;t realise it was about the pension after Hester&#8217;s death &#8212; power of attorney won&#8217;t work for an inheritance issue.</p>
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